On the other hand, Robin Olds was flying F-4s in combat as an O-6, respected & admired by the JOs. Too many variables, and not enough reliable info at this point to draw conclusions. Mel. In a message dated 4/6/2026 3:24:37 PM Central Daylight Time, kblack1967@gmail.com writes: In my past readings, I seem to recall a ban somewhere in the later stages of Vietnam where O-6 and above were prohibited from flying combat missions due to the loss rate and costs and intel risks of losing a senior officer into a POW camp. If the guy is running the wing and not flying as much as the majority, his skillset probably isn't what it was when he was an 0-3/0-4. Could this have hindered his usage of defensive measures and possibly contributed to getting shot down? Or cockpit rank gradient? It's a thing and there is a risk associated with those things. It sounds like we lost a fortune in equipment during this effort and it wasn't a seamless operation. I suspect we will get a movie out of this someday with such a rich story and events to work from. Apparently someone leaked that this guy was missing and the government is after the leaker now. The media is never a trustworthy ally and that goes back since forever. Probably contributed to some of the problems encountered and certainly raised the risks. On 4/5/2026 9:18 PM, Michael G. Brattland wrote: Probably Wing Commander. Wonder how junior the pilot crewed with him was. MGBrattland Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone _______________________________________________ Helobubbas mailing list -- helobubbas@helobubbas.com To unsubscribe send an email to helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com _______________________________________________ Helobubbas mailing list -- helobubbas@helobubbas.com To unsubscribe send an email to helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com