Indeed, I did catch in one small live shot the birds were from HSC-23 Wildcards at North Island. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable it must have been in that close capsule bobbing around so long before they even opened it up……..Obviousdly all a part of not loosing that capsule, bu It seems to me they could have easily skipped it all and just moved the Murtha in close and let them tow this whole deal into the well and be done with it. So both recovery helos were flying without the left pilot’s door which I am guessing watching them blow the fancy raft for the astronaut recovery was so the left seat could fly the approach and hold a hover over till one of the boat swimmers grabbed the horse collar…..good illustration of why the swimmer removes the pilot to be recued from their raft so they do not geet chased all over the ocean as was the case here…mgb CDR Mike Brattland, USN (Ret.) <mailto:mgbrattland@gerlecreek.com> mgbrattland@gerlecreek.com <mailto:mgbrattland@brattland.org> mgbrattland@brattland.org Admin/Moderator SanDiegoCarGuys List & Calendar of Events <mailto:sandiegocarguys@brattland.org> sandiegocarguys@brattland.org 619 454-0496 ’38 Willys 2 Dr Sedan Webmaster for <http://www.brattland.org/> www.brattland.org <http://www.overthehillgang.com/> www.overthehillgang.com <http://www.overdrivehotrodnews.com/> www.overdrivehotrodnews.com <http://www.gerlecreek.org/> www.gerlecreek.org <http://www.helobubbas.com/> www.helobubbas.com <http://www.prowlers.org/> www.prowlers.org <http://www.gerlecreek.com/> www.gerlecreek.com <http://www.ford6vcarburetion.com/> www.ford6vcarburetion.com <http://www.westcoastwillysclub.com/> www.westcoastwillysclub.com <http://www.nssha.org/> www.nssha.org <http://www.nhahistoricalsociety.org/> www.nhahistoricalsociety.org <https://sh60fhoas.nhahistoricalsociety.org/> https://sh60fhoas.nhahistoricalsociety.org/ From: ahaefner@aol.com <ahaefner@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2026 8:48 AM To: Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges@gmail.com>; Marc Liebman <marc@marcliebman.com> Cc: HeloBubbas <helobubbas@helobubbas.com> Subject: [Helobubbas] Re: Artemis II landing And the number of boats and number of people in the boats looked like Saturday morning during whale watching season off of Pr Loma. W/r, AL <https://aolapp.onelink.me/eG2g?pid=NativePlacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_320_EmailSignature_AttributionDL&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002473&af_sub5=SentFromNewAOLApp__Interstitial_&af_ios_store_cpp=ce85ce34-ad0f-4811-a92b-a172743b064e&af_android_url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.aol.mobile.aolapp%26listing%3Demail_signature_attribution> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Friday, April 10, 2026, 7:22 PM, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges@gmail.com <mailto:jwsturges@gmail.com> > wrote: Looks like divers’ only job was to hook up the circular support and the front porch raft On Apr 10, 2026, at 8:37 PM, Marc Liebman <marc@marcliebman.com <mailto:marc@marcliebman.com> > wrote:  Does anyone know why the divers weren’t put in the water via helo? It took forever for the boats to get out to the capsule. Way back when during Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, an H-3 arrived within seconds of the chutes leaving the capsule. Marc Liebman <https://www.marcliebman.com> https://www.marcliebman.com <https://www.facebook.com/marcliebmanauthor/> https://www.facebook.com/marcliebmanauthor/ <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_sDoFQM5wupNaCeGIvKL1g> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_sDoFQM5wupNaCeGIvKL1g Author of: Cherubs 2 Raider of the Scottish Coast Big Mother 40 Carronade Render Harmless Death of a Lady Forgotten Last Battles Inner Look For a Few Francs Moscow Airlift Predators The Simushir Island Incident Fight We Shall Flight of the Pawnee Failure to Fire Insidious Dragon The Red Star of Death Member of: The Author’s Guild Military Writers Society of America Association of Texas Authors North American Snowsport Journalists Association -- _______________________________________________ Helobubbas mailing list -- helobubbas@helobubbas.com <mailto:helobubbas@helobubbas.com> To unsubscribe send an email to helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com <mailto:helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com> _______________________________________________ Helobubbas mailing list -- helobubbas@helobubbas.com <mailto:helobubbas@helobubbas.com> To unsubscribe send an email to helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com <mailto:helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com>

https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/2042930359247991110?s=20 Indeed, Frustrating watching watching all the work…. 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I hope the astronauts had barf bags! It all seemed rather rube goldberg to me. After such an amazing, imaginative, techologically incredible 10 days what we saw seemed right out of Apollo recoveries of the 1960s. Okay…but they gotta find a better way. Give the task to Elon….he would figure it out. :) Mike Michael Fuqua michael.fuqua@gmail.com <mailto:michael.fuqua@gmail.com> 858-382-3297 On Apr 11, 2026, at 10:14, mgbrattland@gerlecreek.com <mailto:mgbrattland@gerlecreek.com> wrote: Indeed, I did catch in one small live shot the birds were from HSC-23 Wildcards at North Island. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable it must have been in that close capsule bobbing around so long before they even opened it up……..Obviousdly all a part of not loosing that capsule, bu It seems to me they could have easily skipped it all and just moved the Murtha in close and let them tow this whole deal into the well and be done with it. So both recovery helos were flying without the left pilot’s door which I am guessing watching them blow the fancy raft for the astronaut recovery was so the left seat could fly the approach and hold a hover over till one of the boat swimmers grabbed the horse collar…..good illustration of why the swimmer removes the pilot to be recued from their raft so they do not geet chased all over the ocean as was the case here…mgb CDR Mike Brattland, USN (Ret.) <mailto:mgbrattland@gerlecreek.com> mgbrattland@gerlecreek.com <mailto:mgbrattland@brattland.org> mgbrattland@brattland.org Admin/Moderator SanDiegoCarGuys List & Calendar of Events <mailto:sandiegocarguys@brattland.org> sandiegocarguys@brattland.org 619 454-0496 ’38 Willys 2 Dr Sedan Webmaster for <http://www.brattland.org/> www.brattland.org <http://www.overthehillgang.com/> www.overthehillgang.com <http://www.overdrivehotrodnews.com/> www.overdrivehotrodnews.com <http://www.gerlecreek.org/> www.gerlecreek.org <http://www.helobubbas.com/> www.helobubbas.com <http://www.prowlers.org/> www.prowlers.org <http://www.gerlecreek.com/> www.gerlecreek.com <http://www.ford6vcarburetion.com/> www.ford6vcarburetion.com <http://www.westcoastwillysclub.com/> www.westcoastwillysclub.com <http://www.nssha.org/> www.nssha.org <http://www.nhahistoricalsociety.org/> www.nhahistoricalsociety.org <https://sh60fhoas.nhahistoricalsociety.org/> https://sh60fhoas.nhahistoricalsociety.org/ From: ahaefner@aol.com <mailto:ahaefner@aol.com> <ahaefner@aol.com <mailto:ahaefner@aol.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2026 8:48 AM To: Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges@gmail.com <mailto:jwsturges@gmail.com> >; Marc Liebman <marc@marcliebman.com <mailto:marc@marcliebman.com> > Cc: HeloBubbas <helobubbas@helobubbas.com <mailto:helobubbas@helobubbas.com> > Subject: [Helobubbas] Re: Artemis II landing And the number of boats and number of people in the boats looked like Saturday morning during whale watching season off of Pr Loma. W/r, AL <https://aolapp.onelink.me/eG2g?pid=NativePlacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_320_EmailSignature_AttributionDL&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002473&af_sub5=SentFromNewAOLApp__Interstitial_&af_ios_store_cpp=ce85ce34-ad0f-4811-a92b-a172743b064e&af_android_url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.aol.mobile.aolapp%26listing%3Demail_signature_attribution> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Friday, April 10, 2026, 7:22 PM, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges@gmail.com <mailto:jwsturges@gmail.com> > wrote: Looks like divers’ only job was to hook up the circular support and the front porch raft On Apr 10, 2026, at 8:37 PM, Marc Liebman <marc@marcliebman.com <mailto:marc@marcliebman.com> > wrote:  Does anyone know why the divers weren’t put in the water via helo? It took forever for the boats to get out to the capsule. Way back when during Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, an H-3 arrived within seconds of the chutes leaving the capsule. 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Elon / Starlink  uses boats.  Helicopters have the advantage of mobility, but the splashdowns are so accurate, big stable boats with lots of room for divers work fine.  Starship lands in the vast Indian Ocean but somehow the boats are right there. Sandy Clark208.651.7335 On Saturday, April 11, 2026 at 10:26:08 AM PDT, Michael Fuqua <michael.fuqua@gmail.com> wrote: I had the same thoughts.  I hope the astronauts had barf bags!  It all seemed rather rube goldberg to me.  After such an amazing, imaginative, techologically incredible 10 days what we saw seemed right out of Apollo recoveries of the 1960s.  Okay…but they gotta find a better way.  Give the task to Elon….he would figure it out. :) Mike Michael Fuqua michael.fuqua@gmail.com 858-382-3297 On Apr 11, 2026, at 10:14, mgbrattland@gerlecreek.com wrote: Indeed, I did catch in one small live shot the birds were from HSC-23 Wildcards at North Island.I cannot imagine how uncomfortable it must have been in that close capsule bobbing around so long before they even opened it up……..Obviousdly all a part of not loosing that capsule, bu  It seems to me they could have easily skipped it all and just moved the Murtha in close and let them tow this whole deal into the well and be done with it. So both recovery helos were flying without the left pilot’s door which I am guessing watching them blow the fancy raft for the astronaut recovery was so the left seat could fly the approach and hold a hover over till one of the boat swimmers grabbed the horse collar…..good illustration of why the swimmer removes the pilot to be recued from their raft so they do not geet chased all over the ocean as was the case here…mgb  CDR Mike Brattland, USN (Ret.) mgbrattland@gerlecreek.commgbrattland@brattland.orgAdmin/Moderator SanDiegoCarGuys List & Calendar of Eventssandiegocarguys@brattland.org619 454-0496  ’38 Willys 2 Dr SedanWebmaster for www.brattland.org www.overthehillgang.com   www.overdrivehotrodnews.com  www.gerlecreek.org www.helobubbas.com   www.prowlers.org  www.gerlecreek.com  www.ford6vcarburetion.com   www.westcoastwillysclub.com www.nssha.org www.nhahistoricalsociety.org https://sh60fhoas.nhahistoricalsociety.org/    From: ahaefner@aol.com <ahaefner@aol.com>  Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2026 8:48 AM To: Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges@gmail.com>; Marc Liebman <marc@marcliebman.com> Cc: HeloBubbas <helobubbas@helobubbas.com> Subject: [Helobubbas] Re: Artemis II landing  And the number of boats and number of people in the boats looked like Saturday morning during whale watching season off of Pr Loma.    W/r, AL Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS   On Friday, April 10, 2026, 7:22 PM, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges@gmail.com> wrote: Looks like divers’ only job was to hook up the circular support and the front porch raft On Apr 10, 2026, at 8:37 PM, Marc Liebman <marc@marcliebman.com> wrote:  Does anyone know why the divers weren’t put in the water via helo? It took forever for the boats to get out to the capsule. Way back when during Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, an H-3 arrived within seconds of the chutes leaving the capsule.   Marc Liebman https://www.marcliebman.com https://www.facebook.com/marcliebmanauthor/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_sDoFQM5wupNaCeGIvKL1g   Author of: Cherubs 2                                                        Raider of the Scottish Coast                  Big Mother 40                                                 Carronade Render Harmless                                         Death of a Lady Forgotten                                                         Last Battles Inner Look                                                       For a Few Francs Moscow Airlift                                              Predators The Simushir Island Incident                Fight We Shall Flight of the Pawnee                                  Failure to Fire Insidious Dragon                                        The Red Star of Death   Member of: The Author’s Guild                                    Military Writers Society of America Association of Texas Authors              North American Snowsport Journalists Association --    _______________________________________________ Helobubbas mailing list -- helobubbas@helobubbas.com To unsubscribe send an email to helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com_______________________________________________ Helobubbas mailing list -- helobubbas@helobubbas.com To unsubscribe send an email to helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com _______________________________________________ Helobubbas mailing list -- helobubbas@helobubbas.com To unsubscribe send an email to helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com _______________________________________________ Helobubbas mailing list -- helobubbas@helobubbas.com To unsubscribe send an email to helobubbas-leave@helobubbas.com

I recall Apollo 17 as a faster Recovery although we had to steam to the Solomon Islands to find a spot to land the capsule. Here's a shot of HC-1 SH-3 Recovering the Astronauts. I do not recall boats in the water and according to this picture our USS Camden (AOE-2) was not "in the picture" although "Tico" certainly appreciated our services on the way home for a missed Christmas 1972. *Lou* On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 12:54 PM Harold Brattland <habrattland@arvig.net> wrote:

So returning to Earth at 25k mph or Mach35+ you need a very large rocket engine to slow to parachute opening speed. Not too many choices beyond atmospheric drag.. So the chutes slow vehicle to about 17mph for touch down; but now winds may adjust touch down point beyond calculation before hand. It's a test flight and we got a big ocean. there will be plenty of time for nuance!

Hats off to those Navy divers getting the girdle on the fat lady. Apparently there are currents to contend with! And to the unseen workers gathering all the parachute stuff spread over many square miles before the fishing boat start roaming by!! Can-Do crowd at San Diego Naval Bases!! h On 4/11/2026 12:25, Michael Fuqua wrote:

I had the same thoughts. I hope the astronauts had barf bags! It all seemed rather rube goldberg to me. After such an amazing, imaginative, techologically incredible 10 days what we saw seemed right out of Apollo recoveries of the 1960s. Okay…but they gotta find a better way. Give the task to Elon….he would figure it out. :)

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Indeed, I did catch in one small live shot the birds were from HSC-23 Wildcards at North Island. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable it must have been in that close capsule bobbing around so long before they even opened it up……..Obviousdly all a part of not loosing that capsule, bu It seems to me they could have easily skipped it all and just moved the Murtha in close and let them tow this whole deal into the well and be done with it. So both recovery helos were flying without the left pilot’s door which I am guessing watching them blow the fancy raft for the astronaut recovery was so the left seat could fly the approach and hold a hover over till one of the boat swimmers grabbed the horse collar…..good illustration of why the swimmer removes the pilot to be recued from their raft so they do not geet chased all over the ocean as was the case here…mgb

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And the number of boats and number of people in the boats looked like Saturday morning during whale watching season off of Pr Loma.

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On Friday, April 10, 2026, 7:22 PM, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks like divers’ only job was to hook up the circular support and the front porch raft

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Does anyone know why the divers weren’t put in the water via helo? It took forever for the boats to get out to the capsule. Way back when during Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, an H-3 arrived within seconds of the chutes leaving the capsule.

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What seemed very stunning was the complete lack of innovation all the way around. SpaceX is landing rockets back on the pad and NASA basically gave grandpas old space ship a resto-mod using parts from other programs. It works. It looks cool, but not exactly the cutting edge of engineering from public dollars. They are very proud of their diversity however. The Navy did great, but the whole thing looked unnecessarily cumbersome. On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 3:54 PM Harold Brattland <habrattland@arvig.net> wrote:

So returning to Earth at 25k mph or Mach35+ you need a very large rocket engine to slow to parachute opening speed. Not too many choices beyond atmospheric drag.. So the chutes slow vehicle to about 17mph for touch down; but now winds may adjust touch down point beyond calculation before hand. It's a test flight and we got a big ocean. there will be plenty of time for nuance!

Hats off to those Navy divers getting the girdle on the fat lady. Apparently there are currents to contend with! And to the unseen workers gathering all the parachute stuff spread over many square miles before the fishing boat start roaming by!! Can-Do crowd at San Diego Naval Bases!! h On 4/11/2026 12:25, Michael Fuqua wrote:

I had the same thoughts. I hope the astronauts had barf bags! It all seemed rather rube goldberg to me. After such an amazing, imaginative, techologically incredible 10 days what we saw seemed right out of Apollo recoveries of the 1960s. Okay…but they gotta find a better way. Give the task to Elon….he would figure it out. :)

Mike

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On Apr 11, 2026, at 10:14, mgbrattland@gerlecreek.com wrote:

Indeed, I did catch in one small live shot the birds were from HSC-23 Wildcards at North Island. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable it must have been in that close capsule bobbing around so long before they even opened it up……..Obviousdly all a part of not loosing that capsule, bu It seems to me they could have easily skipped it all and just moved the Murtha in close and let them tow this whole deal into the well and be done with it. So both recovery helos were flying without the left pilot’s door which I am guessing watching them blow the fancy raft for the astronaut recovery was so the left seat could fly the approach and hold a hover over till one of the boat swimmers grabbed the horse collar…..good illustration of why the swimmer removes the pilot to be recued from their raft so they do not geet chased all over the ocean as was the case here…mgb

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And the number of boats and number of people in the boats looked like Saturday morning during whale watching season off of Pr Loma.

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On Friday, April 10, 2026, 7:22 PM, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks like divers’ only job was to hook up the circular support and the front porch raft

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Does anyone know why the divers weren’t put in the water via helo? It took forever for the boats to get out to the capsule. Way back when during Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, an H-3 arrived within seconds of the chutes leaving the capsule.

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“Funny papers” really takes me back. Great memories. Anyhow, I decided to use my limited knowledge gained from the many, many space professionals, news agencies, and internet sites involved in both programs here in Central Florida. Then there was whatever I learned from the good folks at the KSC I visit from time to time. When SpaceX launched the first manned mission since the space shuttle, over 100,000 people packed the roads and waited hours to see it, myself included. I’m not sure why, but there was relatively limited excitement for Artemis compared to that. Like almost nobody was talking about it. I’m not sure what the turnout was since I was working, but the video my wife sent me from my driveway of the Artemis launch looked pretty cool. At least SpaceX didn’t have to go get the crew this time. I see it sort of the same way as an A320 vs. 737 discussion. To those in the back, the planes look exactly the same. Up front however, the A320 is vastly superior from an engineering perspective. Both get the job done, but one clearly demonstrates engineering prowess and innovation over the last 60 years while the other is essentially grandpas old Cadillac, but with a Garmin GPS unit plugged into the lighter and maybe power locks and key fob. Proven, safe and reliable, but enormously stale and uninspiring. Can’t judge it though, Soyuz is still hanging in there. As long as the US is back leading humanity into space, they can shoot them into space in a tin can for all I care. I just want it to succeed. On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 9:39 PM Harold Brattland <habrattland@arvig.net> wrote:

SpaceX big boy has blown up more times than is allowable for manned flight....maybe some day Musk will get a ride on his own buggy. But that says nothing about the space capsule. the booster has nothing to do with landing the capsule. spaceX hasn't been out of orbit yet for all their flights, this baby is on its second and around the moon. Next time we will be lifting the lander prototype as well.. Perhaps you should read a little deeper in the funny papers! Ha Landing on pad, more than spaceX is doing that. Since NASA is paying for those trips to space station we have beneficiary of a cheaper ride. But when you have a couple booster strapped to main vehicle, why carry the extra weight while getting around the mechanical interference for the legs at this stage of program. h On 4/11/2026 18:33, Brian Miller wrote:

What seemed very stunning was the complete lack of innovation all the way around. SpaceX is landing rockets back on the pad and NASA basically gave grandpas old space ship a resto-mod using parts from other programs. It works. It looks cool, but not exactly the cutting edge of engineering from public dollars. They are very proud of their diversity however. The Navy did great, but the whole thing looked unnecessarily cumbersome.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 3:54 PM Harold Brattland <habrattland@arvig.net> wrote:

...

So returning to Earth at 25k mph or Mach35+ you need a very large rocket engine to slow to parachute opening speed. Not too many choices beyond atmospheric drag.. So the chutes slow vehicle to about 17mph for touch down; but now winds may adjust touch down point beyond calculation before hand. It's a test flight and we got a big ocean. there will be plenty of time for nuance!

Hats off to those Navy divers getting the girdle on the fat lady. Apparently there are currents to contend with! And to the unseen workers gathering all the parachute stuff spread over many square miles before the fishing boat start roaming by!! Can-Do crowd at San Diego Naval Bases!! h On 4/11/2026 12:25, Michael Fuqua wrote:

I had the same thoughts. I hope the astronauts had barf bags! It all seemed rather rube goldberg to me. After such an amazing, imaginative, techologically incredible 10 days what we saw seemed right out of Apollo recoveries of the 1960s. Okay…but they gotta find a better way. Give the task to Elon….he would figure it out. :)

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Indeed, I did catch in one small live shot the birds were from HSC-23 Wildcards at North Island. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable it must have been in that close capsule bobbing around so long before they even opened it up……..Obviousdly all a part of not loosing that capsule, bu It seems to me they could have easily skipped it all and just moved the Murtha in close and let them tow this whole deal into the well and be done with it. So both recovery helos were flying without the left pilot’s door which I am guessing watching them blow the fancy raft for the astronaut recovery was so the left seat could fly the approach and hold a hover over till one of the boat swimmers grabbed the horse collar…..good illustration of why the swimmer removes the pilot to be recued from their raft so they do not geet chased all over the ocean as was the case here…mgb

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And the number of boats and number of people in the boats looked like Saturday morning during whale watching season off of Pr Loma.

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On Friday, April 10, 2026, 7:22 PM, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks like divers’ only job was to hook up the circular support and the front porch raft

On Apr 10, 2026, at 8:37 PM, Marc Liebman <marc@marcliebman.com> wrote:



Does anyone know why the divers weren’t put in the water via helo? It took forever for the boats to get out to the capsule. Way back when during Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, an H-3 arrived within seconds of the chutes leaving the capsule.

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